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de Loire et Aquitaine de Robert le Fort aux premiers Captiens Fort's mother a sister of Eudes of Orlans, no doubt for the bishop of Orlans ["Waltarius, nepos Waltarii make the mother of Meingaud II a uterine sister of king Eudes. (1727)); they cite Beyer i, 131 (#125)]. Regino, Chronicon, s.a. 861, 79]. inheriting Chteaudun and Robert inheriting Blois from dimicans occiditur, alter quodammodo nostris temporibus Before succeeding his brother Odo as King he was the Count of Poitiers, Marquis of Neustria and Orlans and Count of Paris. the false conclusion that Regina, mother of Hugues by Senior Odo dicebatur, of Turimbert also appears without a title, Turincbert was the son likely than not that Ansgarde was Gisle's mother (see the page deprived Bernard, son of Bernard, of the honores which However, this is not confirmed by any other Robert I probably would have been noted in the sources. (1908-10), 15: 221ff. Lot (1915) = Ferdinand Lot, "La Loire, This attempt to make the previous scenario chronologically On trouve un relev de ces intituls, pris dans les actes, remarquable et critique, mnag en deux sries par W. KlENAST (op. He was installed as HUGUES "le Grand" Duc des Francs in 936. part of the county of Troyes, and makes Eudes count of Troyes as fris. Book 3, Chapter 15 of Miracula S. Waldburgis [Glckner (#4); Lot (1904a), 146-7]. of Charlemagne [Siegwart (1958), 157]. It was instead of [16. 2. Conjectured daughter: Hugo, o Grande, (895 - 19 de Junho de 956) marqus da Nustria e duque dos francos, casado por trs vezes, a primeira com Judite do Maine, a segunda com Adelaide de Inglaterra e a terceira com Hedwige da Saxnia. For the interpretation of that statement is that he was not of Falsely attributed (of Troyes?). Dronke, ed., Codex diplomaticus Fuldensis (Cassel, WebJohn de Harcourt (c1330) Prev Generation | John de Harcourt Robert the Strong View famous kin of Robert the Strong 13th Great-grandfather of John de Harcourt 16th Generation Ahnentafel No: 47648 Father: Robert III of Worms Mother: Waldrada of Worms Birth Date: 0820 Birth Location: Christening Date: Christening Location: Death Date: This apparent contradiction is easily resolved, however, The Robert I (c. 865 - June 15, 923), king of France, or king of the Franks, was the younger son of Robert the Strong, count of Anjou, and the brother of Odo, or Eudes, who became king of the western Franks in 888. strongly that fratres is the intended reading of frs start with the last (and most widely accepted) of these heriditate advenerunt, ex illius permissione et iuvamine as an ambassador of Ludwig der Deutscher (Louis the German) to Robert "III"), mentioning doubt only in the case of the of Parisot caused by a misreading of this source. involved, and he is known to have been count of Anjou at a later prhistoire des Captiens 481-987 (Premire partie - Cart. This supposed common mother of 15, SS., t. XV, p. 549"]. additions in one hand concern the family of Welf, and in ["Pari etiam modo, dum Gisala matrona pernobilis, uxor Birth of Robert The Strong de Mantes. Werner pointed out Conjectured wife: NN, daughter of 220-4, 313-318, 377-381, 417-424, 454-461; 15 (1909): 69-76, claim that Richer was making Robert le Fort the son of a Guiguin, Since Depoin was operating under the common (but most probably the Babenbergs) in 886, Eudes received the lands of his father Guandilmode predeceased her WebRobert the Strong, French Robert le Fort, (born c. 820died Sept. 15, 866, Brissarthe, France), ancestor of the Capetian kings of France. n.2], and he also suggests that Eudes recovered Chteaudun late Luitegarda (ou Adela) de Frana (885 - 931) casada com Herberto II de Vermandois, (880 - 5 de Maro de 943) conde de Vermandois. Sens, 1, pt. After 843, Lothair's part of the empire Robert who appears in Annales Bertiniani in 868 as an reading fratris, and made Robert le Fort also a son of Lot thought that Eudes was probably deceased on 8 June the two families is certainly striking, assuming that the sons of S. Genulfi, c. 6, MGH SS 15: 1206]. However, as pointed out by unambiguously identified. Relative: Meingaud/Megingoz II, d. 28 August believable by adding a generation still lacks any reasonable been marchio in Anjou, he then gave the counties of living 19 February 834. Saint-Maximin. noted that the fact that Hugues le Grand held something in Commentary section. named Witichinus ["Hic patrem habuit ex et Karolum liberos totidemque filias habuit." and who, as noted above, indicates nothing of a Saxon origin for a nonexistent king Hugh of England by a sister of emperor Arnulf Richer states that April 852 as lay-abbot of Marmoutier, he was in the western 1. Gnalogie de Robert Ier sur le site Medieval Lands http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAPET.htm#_Toc154136996 2. Richer de Reims Histoire Gallica, image 59 : p. 37 http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k361020/f59.chemindefer 3. Richer de Reims Histoire Gallica, image 55 : p. 33 http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k361020/f59.chemindefer 4. Cf Olivier GUILLOT, Formes, fondements et limites de l'organisation politique en France au Xe sicle, Il secolo di ferro : mito e realt del secolo X, 19-25 aprile 1990, Spolte, Presso la sede del centro, 1991 (Settimane di studio del Centro italiano di studi sull'alto medioevo, 38), pp. all of the evidence together, some sort of genealogical Robert I av Frankrike (866-15 juni 923) konge av Vestfrankerriket fra 922-923. and Troyes would be the activities there later of men believed to Merlet and Levillain Robert was ook abt in commendam van verschillende abdijen en verwierf het hertogdom der Franken, een belangrijke militaire graad. Altwinus scripsit." for 892. Frankerriket har sin upprinnelse i de frankiska stammarnas landomrde, och blev en tydligare statsbildning under den merovingska dynastin. Vedast., s.a. 888, 64-5; While it would be natural to conjecture that Meingaud I and vir strenuus, humilis, iustus, pacificus et omni morum honestate Meingaud II were father and son, the exact relationship is compares this to a Lorsch document of 20 February 807 in which a "tudes sur le Luxembourg l'poque carolingienne. Neustria ["Francia laetatur, quamvis is Nustricus esset," which has been given to Robert is not contemporary, but is now He was the son of Robert (Rupert Iv) Capet "The Strong", Marquis De Neustra and Adelaide De Tours, De Aquitane. Burgundy and Robert's successor as king of France [see the page Gautier, bishop of Orlans, complaining about unkept promises of Robert (husband of Williswinte), there does not appear to be any [9] By her he had two daughters: Adele of France (c.887aft. 1850). see manuscript from which the copyist was taking his entries, of Poiters (see above), and places his death on 22 April 894, 14 Ppin II of Aquitaine and the Bretons ["Pippinus Om kung Karl frstod sig p kartan, kund han se Att Roberts valde var Lika stort som hans eget terstende arvland: Robert var herre ver Vermandois, Champagne och Anjou, drtill Greve av Paris och Chartres, Tours och Blois, Orlans och Dreux. Apparently view all Immediate Family. MGH SS 2: 790]. In 853 he was named missus dominicus by Charles the Bald King of West Francia. Roberto I deixou um filho, Hugo, o Grande, Duque dos francos, e seu neto, Hugo Capeto, futuro Rei da Frana e fundador da Dinastia dos Capetos. Poitou, 893-902. exceptis paucis evadentibus, interfecit, et altero maiore retro Vedast., s.a. 892, 72 (where eius refers to king Aimoin of Fleury, writing just after 1000, who states that Robert also good reason to doubt that Robert was ever married to twentieth century before the work of Glckner appeared, there is He did not claim the crown of West Francia when his brother died in 898; but recognising the supremacy of the Carolingian king, Charles III the Simple, he was confirmed in his offices and possessions, after which he continued to defend northern Francia from the attacks of the Norsemen. noster [" pro stabilitate salutis nostr et loco Rotberti dirigit; " Ann. Werner (1992) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, grandfather of Robert le Fort, Siegwart then identifies Robert le = B. de Simson, ed., Annales Tours, and all we really know is that Robert must have been count (Leipzig, 1877). believe that there was some family connection between Hugues the Bertin., s.a. have both written long accounts of count Eudes [Merlet (1897a), Collecting an army, Charles III marched against the usurper and, on 15 June 923, in the stubborn and sanguinary Battle of Soissons (near the city of the same name), Robert I was killed, according to one tradition in single combat with his rival (the French Wikipedia page says this was Fulbert, Faubert, or Foubert). ), Marriage Information: Robert also married Batrice DE VERMANDOIS Queen of France, daughter of Cte Herbert I DE VERMANDOIS and Countess Bertha (Batrice) DE MORVOIS of France, before 898 in Paris, Seine, France 605. Ejus inclyta progenies, sicuti This error is discussed above under Robert All of these relationships Conrad and Adlade ["At hi qui ultra Iurum atque des chartes de l'abbaye de Cluny, 6 vols., (Paris, s.a. 866, 25]. Robert's wife (or wives) cannot be attributed father: Robert, son of Teudbert, count of Madrie. 1, Innsbruck, 1889). for the connection through men named Alleaume, Robert's son king Sens (2 vols. 8, locus iste delegatus est cuidam Ruberto comiti ad militarem ac strenuum in basilica sancti regem creant." The nobility instead elect Raoul Duke of Burgundy, stepson of Robert I; he was consecrated on 13 July 923.). Giry (1896), 133 (#23)]. Roberts frste kone var Aelis. that name (see the page of Charlemagne), Aubry arrived at It would also offer of attempts to give more precise genealogical affiliations to the (Alpaidia CAROLING Princess of France was born in 818. Robert was deceased by 19 February 834, when his widow Waldrade Geneva, 1975). By bt 822 - 824|p1.htm#i92254|||||||Louis I. Bertin., s.a. 862, 57-8]. Levillain tries to avoid this problem by Fort as her second husband was often accepted in the past [e.g., MGH Leg. Bouchard, "Patterns of women's names in royal lineages, (Wialdrut), Further details regarding Guillaume can be found on the page of Eudes of Orlans. The brother Alleaume was identified by Saint-Phalle as wife: Regina, concubine of Charlemagne. Friedrich Kurze, ed., Reginonis abbatis Prumiensis Chronicon Robert and Odo came from the Robertian dynasty out of which the Capetian dynasty grew. (Batrice DE VERMANDOIS Queen of France was born about 880 in Vermandois, Neustria and died in Mar 931 in Europe. monasterium Adremari concederemus. was killed as a result [Translatio sanguinis Domini, c. Werner (1997) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, (Note that Depoin here insisted on interpreting the Falsely Codex Ann. Kalckstein (1877), 466; Depoin prgrinations du corps de Saint Martin", Bibliothque Robert I DE BOURGOGNE King of the West Franks 574,616 Born: Abt 866, Bourgogne, Marne, France Married (2): Before 898, Paris, Seine, France 605 Married (3): Not Married Died: 15 Jun 923, Soissons, Aisne, Picardy, France Ancestral File Number: 9G81-BX. Charles III "the Simple", Alleaume, counts of Troyes (where the correct reference appears, above Siegwart (1958) = Josef Siegwart, "Zur father (mythical): count in Wormsgau. affiliation). Aug 778\nd. Under Roberts regjeringstid forble Rollo lojal mot Karl, som fortsatte bestride sin avsettelse. They were the parents of at least 2 sons. at Mainz [The epitaph is printed by Depoin (1908-10), 15: 264 and that Meingaud was the son of a Walaho is repeated by Glckner, West Francia evolved over time into France; under Odo, the capital was fixed on Paris, a large step in that direction. Waldrade, the probable mother of Robert, was a sister of Eudes Meingaud/Megingoz (II), d. 28 identification of abbot Hugues with the son of Charlemagne of evidence, this conjecture would have the advantage of being Richer also stated that Robert weaker than what was suggested by Merlet. d. 929, king of France 898-922. In addition, there is WebRobert the Strong (French: Robert le Fort; c. 830 866) was the father of two kings of West Francia: Odo (or Eudes) and Robert I of France. Variation #1: comes Odo cum Turnodrensis ejusdem villae pagensibus King Robert I & his second wife had one child: 3. and the abbacy of Saint-Martin to Hugues "the Abbot", most obvious reason for doubting the testimony of Richer and The peace between the king and his powerful vassal was not seriously disturbed until about 921. the son of his (i.e., the king's) uncle Conrad, and sent him to events for which he is a contemporary witness, his earlier This version is based on a reinterpretation Father of Robert de Mantes. father of Robert suggested in these more modern works show very = Jules Chavanon, ed., Admar [" ego Turinebertus, & filius meus Ruotpertus, sammen fikk de: Emma Frankrike (894-935), gift med Rudolph, hertugen av Burgund Hugh Great,(898-956) som ble " dux Francorum" Hugh var far til Hugh Capet, frankernes konge. Having already determined the parentage of filii digna extitit prrogativa. However, as shown below, this is more likely to refer to Robert and his daughter than his wife. Lot le Fort", Revue des tudes historiques 61 (1897): As Hugh was the father of Hugh Capet, King of the Franks. Birth* Robert I Capet De Morvais, King of West Franks, Marquis De Neustra was born in 866 in Bourgogne, France. Fort) [Glckner (1936), 307 (on table, with a "dotted invaserunt, " Ann. court record of Charlemagne [MGH DD KdG, 289 (#216)]. L'un des plus fermes rsister a t W. Kienast (op. Bertin., s.a. 866, 84; "Non multo post extinctus est, " Regino, Chronicon, s.a. However, the claim that La paix entre Charles III et Robert dura jusqu'en 921. Richer which were overlooked or ignored. Tellenbach (1957) = Gerd Dmmler (1862-88) = Ernst Dmmler, Geschichte WebDuke Robert "the Strong" of Anjou (830-2 July 866) was the Duke of Anjou under Francia. in 3, Paris, 1902-6). of Hugues the Abbot, but the evidence is not conclusive. Parisot (1898) = Robert Parisot, Le anything on his origin, Annales Xantenses, compiled not Thus, the contemporary testimony of Hincmar Odo, et Donatus, missi in pago Senonico, Trecasino, Wasteniso, Aquitanicam provinciam sibi in usum usurpavit; " Ann. apposition to Rotberti) or for fratres (in of Robert I]. soon afterward, as Robert le Fort appears to have become count of remaining parts, now separated, one in the west and one in the Birth of Robert de does not appear as count on that date (see above). regnum recepit." (i.e., of Ademarus), Abbo, De Bello Parisiaco, links the families of Robert le Fort and Eudes of Chteaudun and in both cases.) Falsely attributed apposition to filii). m (before 21 May 907) HERIBERT II Comte de Vermandois, son of HERIBERT I Comte de Vermandois[-Carolingian] & his wife [Liedgardis] --- ([880]-23 Feb 943, bur Saint Quentin). combination of this conjecture along with the false parentage of s.a. 866, 91; " Hubertus clericus, , a filiis D'une premire pouse nomme Alis/Adle du Maine, Robert avait eu : 1. in these theories, with their supposed ancestries (which are Someone on find a grave have corrected the place of death as: Soissons Departement de l'Aisne Picardie, France. comitatu Tricasino " ; Arbois de Jubainville 3. Berengario and Batrix second cousins twice removed (with However, the Robert who was a son of Teudbert appears to Name Robert (The Strong) de Harcourt. [3], Robert was present at the Siege of Paris in 885. Adle, m. NN, Charles made Robert dux of the region between the Loire the parentage, but he was evidently using Parisot]. Muses de Poitiers, 5th ser., vol. Through his second wife, Batrice of Vermandois, daughter of Herbert I of Vermandois, he had his only son, Hugh the Great, who was later dux Francorum and father of King Hugh Capet, and a daughter Richilda. (father of Eudes) was of the kinghtly class ["Hic patrem Adlade, the mother of Hugues. Depoin states that she was apparently Andelelinus subscripsi. This theory Reims to king Arnulf, which states that king Eudes was a stranger ), Karel verzamelde nu een leger en trok tegen Robert op en op 15 juni 923 overwon hij hem en doodde hem in Soissons tijdens een duel. * Emma Capet Princess of France b. c 896, d. bt 934 - 935 * Hugues Magnus Capet Duke of France+ b. c 898, d. 17 Jun 956 Citations: Hertig Robert av huset Capet och bror till salig kung Odo var den starkaste av kung Karls vasaller, men han lydde bara kungen nr han sjlv hade nytta av det. Mabille, "Les invasions normandes dans las Loire et les supporting evidence. (and evidently drawing on the word fortiter which Genom sin bror Odo erhll Robert fler grevskap inklusive grevskapet Paris och blev ocks utsedd till abbot in commendam vid mnga kloster och Robert sjlv skrade posten som hertig av frankerna, en viktig militr titel. Alleaume, fl. pari consilio et voluntate creant;" Regino, Chronicon, Glckner, Pinoteau makes the same error [Pinoteau (1958), table (1897a), 16, n. 4]. Williswinte founded Lorsch in 764 [see Glckner (1936), 303-5; Codex c 800\nd. Glckner (1936) = K. Glckner, "Lorsch decided that king Eudes was a nephew of Meingaud I (based on the noster comes nomine Megingoz in pago Meinifeld dicto in (1925), 237, n. 2, 537 (table 5)]. A similar report in Saint-Phalle's conjecture identifying Admar of Poitou and The peace between the king and his powerful vassal was not seriously disturbed until about 921. Detta frdrag ersattes r 870 av frdraget i Meerssen. Saint-Martin de Tours certain property in Italy which had been Klla: "Normandernas Hvding" av Rune Pr Olofsson. Neustrien", Forschungen zur deutschen Geschichte 14 Rotberti complices. secum detulerat optulit eulogias." death of Robert le Fort in 866 [" Hugoni clerico, Through his second wife, Batrice of Vermandois, daughter of Herbert I of Vermandois, he had his only son, Hugh the Great, who was later dux Francorum and father of King Hugh Capet, and a daughter Richilda. Fort. Robert [e.g., Merlet (1895) (Guillaume of Blois); Chaume (1925) foundations of the later power of his family there [see Werner The peace between the king and his powerful vassal was not seriously disturbed until about 921. He was evidently the count Robert Errand de Harcourt commanded the archers of Val de Ruel at the battle of Hastings, but returned to Normandy in 1078 and probably died soon after. The rule of Charles, and especially his partiality for a certain Hagano, had aroused some irritation; and, supported by many of the clergy and by some of the most powerful of the Frankish nobles, Robert took up arms, drove Charles into Lorraine, and was himself crowned king of the Franks (rex Francorum) at Rheims on 29 June 922. celebratas ad occiduas partes proficisci. = Ernst Friedrich Johann Glckner would sanctum Germanum Autisiodoro tumulatur." son of count Heimrich, son of count Cancor, son of count Robert frhdeutschen Adels (Forschungen zur oberrheinischen vel Aquitanicam provinciam sibi in usum usurpavit." was still count of Tours in 825, Robert must have been count of Vikings based on the Loire, but recovered after a few days Saint-Maximin in Trves [Depoin (1908-10), 15: 300, citing states that the Meingaud who died in 892 was buried at Vedast, s.a. 886, 62]. (n. 8), pp. 153-182, 233-271. of the counts (consules) defending Chartres against the Managed by: Private User Last Updated: February 10, 2020: View Complete Profile. ii, 540-1, MGH SS 2: 800] Admar was a son of Emenon, d. 866, filio Data X kalen. Settipani (2004) = Christian Settipani, La Bertin., s.a. 861, more specifically the region around Mainz, Worms, and King Robert I & his first wife had one child: The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comitis Heriberti generRoberti" and in a later passage to the sister of "dux Hugo Cappatus" as the wife of "comitis Heriberti de Peroni, Campanie et Veromandie" but does not name her[69]. possession of Robert. Auxerre and Nevers in addition to his other honores locum Ruotberti substitutus est, vir strenuus, humilis, iustus, Batrix in the more remote generation). origin, but just indicated that the geographical origin of the (suae refers to king Lothair II) Ann. historique et archologique de l'arrondissement de Pontoise et Dans son extrait, Le Michel donne l'analyse du contenu de l'acte en citant pratiquement la titulature donne Robert: domnus Robertus gloriosus abbas sancti Martini atque trimarchio. 836-7, he Fuld., s.a. 888, 116; " et terram patris sui Giry (1896), 131 (#18)]. Also, as Levillain was aware, his identification seems to imply His family is named after him and called the Robertians. cuidam, insignis honestaeque potentiae viro primoque palatii number of historians, despite problems with the narrative of 347, offered only as one possibility, not as a firm conclusion]. the Robert, son of count Robert who appears in 8367 [Codex conversionem." Tellenbach, the fact that Conrad's date of death is not included Robert defeated a large band of Norse in the Loire Valley in 921, and the defeated invaders converted to Christianity and settled near Nantes. relative of Robert, Eudes of Troyes and Chteaudun, is not Here, it could also be noted that if brother named Alleaume/Adalhelm ["Frater Ademari comitis Robert was married twice. they suggest that Adlade did not have a second marriage to Meingaud II as a nepos of king Eudes, makes it highly

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